i heard an announcement some time ago, " [ insert name's ] reinstatement has been rescinded and is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.
" has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
elders, have you ever done this?
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? If their decision was led by HS, why was it clearly the wrong one?
The apologist 'Dub will claim that their decision was reversed because they didn't follow the direction of the HS, and jehoober corrected it. He always does!
I've never heard that announcement personally, but I did have a buddy who was reinstated and DF'ed again within a month or so.
i'm curious about what you all think on this subject.
when my husband and i became irregular about a year ago, and then inactive around 5 months ago, i felt that it would be hypocritical to take advantage of the social side of the witness community if we weren`t going to meetings or in service.
we stopped entertaining (which we did quite regularly - theme parties, card parties, movie nights, big turkey dinners, breakfasts on holidays etc), and i slowly stopped accepting invitations for get togethers, playdates etc.
Don't waste your time, I'd say. It hurts to find out how many 'real' friends you had, but be very very thankful that you both came out of the cult together.
That alone is something many of us on here would gladly trade our JW 'friends' for any day.
can anyone point me in the right direction, a good descriptive list of gods anger, genocide, vengeance and general things that we would view as bad and the scriptures next to it to show where these things are in the bible?.
Good point MrFreeze.
If you were told by some crazy prophet fella that 3 million aggressive people were going to come into your town to take everything you own, what would you do? They come thundering into your state demanding that you surrender, or watch your family die before your eyes before you are killed... God ordered the Israelites to kill every last one of them, even babies. That, my friend, is genocide. God-ordered genocide. Cold Steel, how you can say that isn't what the bible said is beyond me. You say the Canaanites were a cult that sacrificed children... So is the WTS, yet I have no desire to see them all brutally murdered.
ok if you clicked on this you might be a mechanical geek like me.
some people love buying shoes or handbags for me is shiny new tools.. for the last few weeks the head gasket has been blowing on my rover 214. fortunately the oil and water hasn't been mixing so no harm done.
the combustion gases have been blowing through the water jacket which made it sounded like a witches cauldron.
Hortensia, a HG on your pathfinder can be a bit tricky for the backyard wrench puller. Not impossible, but a bit tricky. You may be better off finding a good used take out engine from a junkyard.
lately, i've been reading a number of thread lately that deal with this topic.
one particularly poignant experience came from simon.
in simon's story he shares: .
Yes! My mom.
She was DFed a few years ago, I was still a believer. I thought she was being stupid, I didn't understand... I was just mad at her. After about a year of not seeing her I saw her briefly while I was visiting my dad. Immediately I had an irrational feeling of dread and anger for her. I began to wonder, how can I feel this way toward my mother, because a religion (that I wasn't happy in, but thought was 'the Thruth') said so? I later learned that this was a cult-born phobia caused by brainwashing.
This was instrumental in my waking up. It took another year or so to sink in. Once she was reinstated, our relationship was never the same. Granted she was dealing with some mental issues, I couldn't shake this feeling that I'd betrayed her. I had chosen a religion over my mother. She would never admit it, but things will never be the same.
Once I woke up, immediately huge feelings of guilt set in. All in one day of thought, I tore up my blood card and decided that I would never shun anyone again. She was DFed again shortly after that. About a month after she was DFed I called her up. She was sobbing before she even answered the phone. I told her I love her unconditionally, and that I was so sorry about how I'd treated her last time. I said I can't in good conscience shun her. She thanked me for the apology but said we can't stay in contact, I had to shun her because 'it's Jehovah's arrangement'! I told her that I don't believe that, it's not scriptural and unloving. She would have none of it. That was over a year ago now... No contact. She is now trying to come back. It kills me that she lets a stupid religion stay between us. She has been dealing with some difficult mental and emotional issues, and I can't help or be there for her at all. Everytime I see an intro post on this board, I read it. In the back of my head I'm hoping that it might be my mom.
What kills me the most, is once I'm DFed (which will happen one day, they don't let atheists stay in the cong) she will shun me. She will know how hurtful it is, but after 30 years in and out of the cult and being in 'trouble' so many times she won't dare ignore what she sees as a scriptural practice... Jehovah's arrangement'.... Barf. If I ever had kids, nothing... NOTHING will come between us. Even if they grow up to be useless screw ups, I will still be there for them. That is what unconditional love is.
goddamn cult.
ok if you clicked on this you might be a mechanical geek like me.
some people love buying shoes or handbags for me is shiny new tools.. for the last few weeks the head gasket has been blowing on my rover 214. fortunately the oil and water hasn't been mixing so no harm done.
the combustion gases have been blowing through the water jacket which made it sounded like a witches cauldron.
You said the new gasket is a 3 layer... 3 layer MLS? If so you're kinda rolling the dice on a motor that wasn't made for it. On an engine with MLS gaskets the deck and head sealing surfaces are machined a lot smoother. Usually 50 RA is a good rule of thumb.
Either way, good job!
<rant>.
i know i have been rambling alot (feel free to delete my threads if so), but it appeas i am getting to the point where i see no use in the bible.
i feel very bad about this right now.
That's the feeling of your brain becoming free. It's a tough transition, give it time. You don't need all the answers, you just need to know how to tell when an answer is wrong!
i found this over at https://www.facebook.com/groups/xjwrg3 its the "ex-jehovah's witness recovery group 3".
its by a member of this forum goes by the name "toledo squad" .
he said he sent it to the emails of 46 jws .. .
On the way to the DC that morning I warned my wife that there was a talk about people like me. Even the. She refused to agree that I'm an apostate. I told her to think of the many thousands of people like me who simply in good conscience cannot be an active part of this religion. I told her about how to spot an ad hominem attack, and why it's a sign of a false argument from someone who has something to hide. Since then I haven't said a word about it... I'll let it brew a bit, then bring up some of these quotes to see her opinion.
Thanks for the write up!
just one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
Of course it would!
But that would take time away from kingdom interests, like starving the African children and giving their parents AIDS. How is he going to finish next year's super virus if he has to perform all these miracles?!
i don't mean the 'unruly men who cook up wicked reasoning and season their brew with poisonous lies that deceive minds' definition.... i mean - who are they actually referring to when they are doing these awful talks at the conventions about the mentally diseased apostates etc.. specifically - is an 'apostate' someone who was actually baptised (baptized for you american's ) ?
or can someone who was simply raised in "the truth" but left and was never baptised be classified as this lying, deceiving, mentally diseased apostate also?
or am i considered to be an apostate - even though i wasn't raised in the cult, never went to a meeting etc.
Some say its anyone who leaves the WT, others say its anyone who actively works against the org. Many talks say active dubs can be apostates if they're critical of anything in the Borg.
In a JW's mind, an apostate is a vile person. The very word activates an irrational fear of that person's cult persona. For instance, my wife refuses to acknowledge that I'm an apostate. She is still unable to put a real person to the title 'apostate.' In her mind, the word 'apostate' is linked with 'demonized.'
The WT has built up such a phobia with talks such as the one we had at the DC this year. This is mind control at its finest. Their brains are inoculated from anything someone they see as an apostate says. They have no problem calling them names, treating them like dirt and saying they would kill them if they were allowed. What the WT has done is strikingly similar to what the nazis did to the Jews. If we are dehumanized no one will care what we have to say, and will consider us like animals. Like we're not real people.
